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Based on some of the posts made here, I'd say you guys would prefer the amateur scoring system.
 

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Based on some of the posts made here, I'd say you guys would prefer the amateur scoring system.

What?? You don't like touch, touch, and hold?? I scored the fight for Mayweather, but it's not unreasonable to score it for Pacquiao if you like aggression and harder punches.
 

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Fucking stupidest question I've ever heard. Line up 10 women and throw a couple kids in there too. I'll punch each one of those bitches in their mouth, and kick them in the ovaries when they're on the ground for half of Mayweather's money. And while I do enjoy reading, they make all the good books into movies anyways. Which I'll watch in my private Imax theater.

So wrong, but very funny.
 

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What?? You don't like touch, touch, and hold?? I scored the fight for Mayweather, but it's not unreasonable to score it for Pacquiao if you like aggression and harder punches.

I personally saw it as a draw, since Pacquiao hurt Mayweather twice. Also, I seriously doubt Mayweather landed that many "power" punches.
 

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I personally saw it as a draw, since Pacquiao hurt Mayweather twice. Also, I seriously doubt Mayweather landed that many "power" punches.

I watched this shitty fight for free over this weekend. Showtime and HBO re-aired it. That fight was boring as fuck. Even the crowd looked bored. I can't recall a single time the crowd got off their collective asses to cheer. Why? Because nothing happen to get them excited.

I thought the fight was a draw.
 

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Mayweather just can't win, no matter what. If he fought GGG and beat him, people will say he's ducking Deontay Wilder. Dude is a great boxer. People need to get beyond that hate of him. Is he a despicable person? Quite possibly yes but so was Tyson and at the time, Ali as well. It's not until those guys retired did people appreciate them.
I agree with you for the most part except the Ali thing. What was despicable about Ali?
 

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Yall can continue to insult Mayweather's intelligence, his character, his style, etc. You can highlight the suspect shoulder injury point to what ever excuse you want to use. The fact of the matter is Mayweather won the fight. He's the pound for pound Champion. He will be remembered as one of the 10 greatest fighters ever. I have nothing further to add because most of you won't look past your personal biases. Most of you obviously only respect brawlers apparently and hate Mayweather's contrasting style. I can personally appreciate both styles so its really just a preference thing but to suggest he loss or ran the entire fight is just silly IMO.
 

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I agree with you for the most part except the Ali thing. What was despicable about Ali?

I wouldn't necessarily call Ali despicable, especially in hindsight. But the man was personal friends with Malcom X before the Muslim leaders of the day told him not to be. Which means he wasn't a Christian when the church was a lot more powerful and a lot bigger part of most people's life. He was also a black man while the civil rights movement was going on. And he wasn't a quiet black man. He wasn't Joe Louis or somebody who was great, but just happened to be black. He was loud and he was brash. He may well be/have been the single most arrogant man in sports history. People hate Mayweather for a lot of the stuff he says. We almost unanimously DESPISE Adrian Broner for his arrogance and the shit he says. Muhammad Ali put them to shame. And if people then didn't have enough reasons to hate him, he then dodged the draft.

It was a completely different time, and America was a completely different place. But back then Ali definitely was not the universally loved guy that he is today.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily call Ali despicable, especially in hindsight. But the man was personal friends with Malcom X before the Muslim leaders of the day told him not to be. Which means he wasn't a Christian when the church was a lot more powerful and a lot bigger part of most people's life. He was also a black man while the civil rights movement was going on. And he wasn't a quiet black man. He wasn't Joe Louis or somebody who was great, but just happened to be black. He was loud and he was brash. He may well be/have been the single most arrogant man in sports history. People hate Mayweather for a lot of the stuff he says. We almost unanimously DESPISE Adrian Broner for his arrogance and the shit he says. Muhammad Ali put them to shame. And if people then didn't have enough reasons to hate him, he then dodged the draft.

It was a completely different time, and America was a completely different place. But back then Ali definitely was not the universally loved guy that he is today.

Ali didn't need to do shit like call Frazier a gorilla, that's the kind of shit that made me think he was basically an asshole. Great boxer before his suspension and very tough and cagey afterwards, but still an asshole.
 

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I think Ali was witty, his boxing poetry was one of a kind. Ali is the first person to say that all his antics and arrogance was just an act to sell fights and in reality, he was scared. A lot of what Ali did was unprecedented for the time. Can you honestly say that Mayweather and Broner only talk their shit to sell the fight? I doubt it, I think they actually believe the stupid shit they say. You have to be really dumb in order to compare racism today to racism in the past. Ali was friends with Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr, how Mayweather thought he could compare himself to Ali is beyond me. Then he bashed Ali for the rope-a-dope and proceeded to try the exact same thing every time Pacquiao hurt him. It's laughable honestly.
 

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Here's a question, if this fight was held somewhere else in the world...would it have been scored differently?

Mayweather is vegas local. And the dude has extremely high influence on the city. I was there around the fight and TMT gear was EVERYWHERE. Let alone the millions his fights bring to casinos and the city.
 

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I don't think it would have dramatically changed the score. Personally I scored the fight 8 rounds to four. There were to rounds that I thought were extremely close, but I think Mayweather stole them both. I judge each round into 3 one minute segments. The fighter who wins 2/3 of the round gets the point. Say we split bothe the close rounds evenly. Mayweather still wins 7-5. Say you give both rounds to pac then we have a draw. Maybe in the Philippines or Asia he gets a draw. There's no scenario where pac won the fight. I personally think the 2 close rounds pbf did enough to win those rounds.
 

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I wouldn't necessarily call Ali despicable, especially in hindsight. But the man was personal friends with Malcom X before the Muslim leaders of the day told him not to be. Which means he wasn't a Christian when the church was a lot more powerful and a lot bigger part of most people's life. He was also a black man while the civil rights movement was going on. And he wasn't a quiet black man. He wasn't Joe Louis or somebody who was great, but just happened to be black. He was loud and he was brash. He may well be/have been the single most arrogant man in sports history. People hate Mayweather for a lot of the stuff he says. We almost unanimously DESPISE Adrian Broner for his arrogance and the shit he says. Muhammad Ali put them to shame. And if people then didn't have enough reasons to hate him, he then dodged the draft.

It was a completely different time, and America was a completely different place. But back then Ali definitely was not the universally loved guy that he is today.
I can accept that. Guess I had a hind sight 20/20 view point. I immediately picture Ali and his religious affliction and just the general racial tension setting his stance. Without trying to make this a race thing. I can see Ali filling justified in his stance
 

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A couple things.
One. Mayweather won that fight hands down. I am not a fan of Mayweather by no means, & was really hoping to see Pac get busy & win the fight. But as a boxing fan. My unbiased opinion is Pac won all of three rounds. if I wanted to be biased & look at everything in a more favorably light & twist it. You might give him 2 other rounds. So even looking at the fight in a skewed way. He couldnt have been found the victor. He simply didn't win. Realistically other than a couple good combos. he was pretty useless. As much as some don't like the way Mayweather fights. His strategy was superior to Pac's. It was always gonna be can pac cut off the ring or not. He could not. After seeing the fight. Not sure what he would have done with Mayweather if he had. I wouldn't pay to watch a rematch.

Two. As far as fighting GGG. That will never happen, & furthermore it wouldn't be fair to Mayweather to demand such a fight. I would love to see it since GGG is a master at cutting off the ring, & I don't like Mayweather. However in no way should mayweather go fight a (true) 160 lb. Champion, when he is still capable of fighting at 140lb. I think someone referenced what next go fight at heavy weight? This is just not gonna happen. Mayweather & his people are to smart for this.

Three. I think Mayweather should go after Thurman for his (alleged) final fight.
While I understand how most would say that is crazy. here me out for a second. If he went after an undefeated young power puncher that everyone thinks he will avoid. What better way to go out than to eliminate Thurmans undefeated streak & show he isn't scared of the young guns with power.
I noticed when Thurman fought the Ghost after he knocked down the ghost & I thought the fight was all but over. The Ghost using his veteran skills started to give Thurman some issues. I was curious what would have happened if the fight went another couple rounds. I think Thurman still has some learning to do against skilled high caliber fighters. Mayweather definitely falls under this category. I honestly think Mayweather would embarrass Thurman at this point in Thurman's career. Also if Thurman started getting desperate later in the rounds I could see Mayweather laying some serious leather on him getting Thurman in trouble. what better way to end your career than to go out whipping up on the guy most don't want to fight (in his own weight division)

Small risk of Thurman getting that lucky punch, but I honestly don't think he has the skills at the moment to land it. mayweather would be able to shut up a lot of his critics talking of being scared or ducking quality guys.
So like I said. I think Thurman is actually taylor made for Mayweather. & tons of people would be thinking Thurman has a good chance at winning.

Of course I really don't think Mayweather will take this fight, but it would be the perfect chance to go out in style. (Instead of fight Khan or some retread)
 

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Thurman would be a good opponent for FM (considering we know he won't fight GGG, etc.). I have about as much interest in FM-PAC II as I did for Pac-Marquez IV.
 

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One thing not talked about much is the Vegas factor. I think, at this point, you are naive if you think gambling doesn't influence games. The NBA is easily the worst, but boxing is a factor too. Millions (maybe billions) are on the line and Vegas isn't known for losing big.

So while it's not as easy in boxing, it's a factor. If this thing was even remotely close, Mayweather was going to win. So much $ was put on Pac. He was a pretty big underdog and so many people thought he'd win (and they'd win, big). The only chance Pac had to win was to knock him out and he never got close to doing that.
 

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One thing not talked about much is the Vegas factor. I think, at this point, you are naive if you think gambling doesn't influence games. The NBA is easily the worst, but boxing is a factor too. Millions (maybe billions) are on the line and Vegas isn't known for losing big.

So while it's not as easy in boxing, it's a factor. If this thing was even remotely close, Mayweather was going to win. So much $ was put on Pac. He was a pretty big underdog and so many people thought he'd win (and they'd win, big). The only chance Pac had to win was to knock him out and he never got close to doing that.

Somebody doesn't understand how Vegas works.
 
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