Go Gettem Chip!!!

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

WIZ said:
I fully believe nobody wants Mariota but Chip. If we trade Cox, Kendricks and 2 #1's it would be a disaster of epic proportions. If MM becomes a star it's still stupid. MM will be available pick 12 if nobody trades up.

Winston will probably fail in a couple years. Fla St had so much talent compared to other teams.

I think the bigger part of this post is if "nobody trades up". Teams have to be worried about the Eagles trading up. Just the idea that another team trading up may force teams to trade up further than you think.

Also, If no one else wants Mariota and Chip is in good position to trade up to get him at #12, then that will diminish Bradford's value as everyone knows they'll need to trade him.

Iggloo · Apr 25, 2015

Rey said:
Watching the Gruden Camp with Mariota and Winston ... Gruden said that talking to Mariota almost put him to sleep and that he couldn't get Winston to stop talking. The kid really hates the lime light ... still not sure if that's good or bad in a city like Philly. As long as he gets it done on the field I could care less if he's the most boring QB in the league.

Yeah, maybe the San Antonio Spurs should cut Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard right? I mean, they are so soft spoken and boring...

Birds4life81 · Apr 25, 2015

If these rumors are true, I much rather give up Bradford (or #19), #20, Kendricks and a 2016 first - rather then: Bradford (or #19), #20, Kendricks and Fletcher Cox. This is coming from someone who loves Kendricks as well... but losing Cox would be devastating. At least we have Kiko Alonso and depth at ILB, and Cox is at a premier position as a stud run defender and a pass rusher who's just scratching the surface. Regardless, I really hate to lose either one, but losing both would sting.

deerpathdave · Apr 25, 2015

LegoDoom said:
Trading for an expensive QB on an expiring contract makes no sense if you don't redo his deal. Who is the Eagles QB next year? And if you say Bradford, then why wasn't a contract worked out before picks were traded for him?

He also signed two FA CBs to longer deals. I'm not sure why you think that makes CB more of a target than a QB.

They cleaned out 3/4 of the secondary and signed only one starting quality player. They have glaring holes at one CB and one Safety position.

As far as resigning Bradford. You could play that several different ways, but to guarantee additional huge money at this point to a guy with his history seems a little risky too me. Bradford as well may prefer to wait as his value goes way up once he proves he is healthy. I think both sides prefer to wait at this point.

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

deerpathdave said:
They cleaned out 3/4 of the secondary and signed only one starting quality player. They have glaring holes at one CB and one Safety position.

As far as resigning Bradford. You could play that several different ways, but to guarantee additional huge money at this point to a guy with his history seems a little risky too me. Bradford as well may prefer to wait as his value goes way up once he proves he is healthy. I think both sides prefer to wait at this point.

So, if he proves healthy and tests free agency, do you think Foles, a 4th, and a 2nd was good value to give up for one year of a highly paid QB?

There is no upside here for the Eagles. Bradford gets injured or doesn't play well and you have no good QB going into next season. If he does play well, then you have to try to outbid others in FA next year. The best scenario would be that they franchise and trade him.

I think that not extending him is more of an indicator that they will trade him. Or that if they can't make a trade for a QB in the draft, then they will extend him after that. Either way, it seems they have a real interest in trading up for a QB.

deerpathdave · Apr 25, 2015

LegoDoom said:
So, if he proves healthy and tests free agency, do you think Foles, a 4th, and a 2nd was good value to give up for one year of a highly paid QB?

There is no upside here for the Eagles. Bradford gets injured or doesn't play well and you have no good QB going into next season. If he does play well, then you have to try to outbid others in FA next year. The best scenario would be that they franchise and trade him.

I think that not extending him is more of an indicator that they will trade him. Or that if they can't make a trade for a QB in the draft, then they will extend him after that. Either way, it seems they have a real interest in trading up for a QB.

Remember that Foles is also in the last year, so your essentially only giving up the draft picks and the cash. They believe they will be more successful this year with Bradford then Foles.

Going forward, I think much of this comes down to good will. The Eagles showed they wanted and intend to start him. If he has a successful year, you gotta figure that everyone is going to want it to continue. Why would Bradford want to move again if he has a great year here? A team would have to blow the Eagles offer out of big time to get him to move again.

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

deerpathdave said:
Remember that Foles is also in the last year, so your essentially only giving up the draft picks and the cash. They believe they will be more successful this year with Bradford then Foles.

Right, but you either extend Foles or bring someone else in long term. Unless you think a franchise and trade or a compensatory pick is what they are looking for. You simply don't want to go into a new year without a QB under contract. It limits your options and makes the options that you do have very transparent.

deerpathdave said:
Going forward, I think much of this comes down to good will. The Eagles showed they wanted and intend to start him. If he has a successful year, you gotta figure that everyone is going to want it to continue. Why would Bradford want to move again if he has a great year here? A team would have to blow the Eagles offer out of big time to get him to move again.

Why would Bradford move again? It's called money. Being with the Eagles for a year doesn't really tie him to the organization.

deerpathdave · Apr 25, 2015

LegoDoom said:
Right, but you either extend Foles or bring someone else in long term. Unless you think a franchise and trade or a compensatory pick is what they are looking for. You simply don't want to go into a new year without a QB under contract. It limits your options and makes the options that you do have very transparent.

Why would Bradford move again? It's called money. Being with the Eagles for a year doesn't really tie him to the organization.

Well, according to the news reports, willingness to sign was discussed. Bradford said no to Cleveland and yes to Philly? Why? Because its obvious that Philly is a great organization and the type that you don't mind signing up for a long term contract. Besides, Bradford was one of the last to sign those ridiculous rookie contracts. He is already wealthy. As long as the Eagles pay him market, he should be a happy man. He doesn't need to go somewhere he doesn't want to be for a little extra money. Probably why he nixed the Cleveland deal.

deerpathdave · Apr 25, 2015

I also believe that the Eagles are very high on Sanchez. I think they liked him every bit as much as Foles. So the worst case scenario for the Eagles is they have Sanchez. Every bit as good a situation as having Foles under contract. Mind you, that is not championship quality, otherwise they wouldn't be messing around with Bradford.

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

deerpathdave said:
Well, according to the news reports, willingness to sign was discussed. Bradford said no to Cleveland and yes to Philly? Why? Because its obvious that Philly is a great organization and the type that you don't mind signing up for a long term contract. Besides, Bradford was one of the last to sign those ridiculous rookie contracts. He is already wealthy. As long as the Eagles pay him market, he should be a happy man. He doesn't need to go somewhere he doesn't want to be for a little extra money. Probably why he nixed the Cleveland deal.

This also doesn't make sense. The Rams said they dealt with Philly because they wanted Foles and Cleveland couldn't trade them a decent QB. It also would make no sense for Cleveland to trade a 1st for one year of a highly priced Bradford. It's not like Cleveland is a QB away from a potential championship. It only makes sense for them if they can negotiate with Bradford on a long-term deal. Also, it means that the Eagles have no extra 1st round pick in a 3-way trade up scenario that involves Cleveland.

And if Bradford was open to signing with Philly, then why has a contract not been discussed?

It's a lose-lose situation for Philly. If Bradford plays well and demands more money here or elsewhere, then it's the Eagles lose in the trade. If he doesn't play well or is injured, then it's also a lose for Philly (in cap numbers, draft picks, and Foles). You only deal a starting QB and picks in order to get a starting QB for more than 1 year. Do you not agree?

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

deerpathdave said:
I also believe that the Eagles are very high on Sanchez. I think they liked him every bit as much as Foles. So the worst case scenario for the Eagles is they have Sanchez. Every bit as good a situation as having Foles under contract. Mind you, that is not championship quality, otherwise they wouldn't be messing around with Bradford.

Sanchez was fairly terrible last year. If he is the QB for the next few years, then you've traded Foles, picks, and cap room to have Sanchez stink up the joint. Awesome.

eaglesnut · Apr 25, 2015

LegoDoom said:
Again, what is the end game? If Mariota is off the board, then there is no deception. Unless you think he's trading up into the top 5 for Cooper/White or ????? Waynes?

Just that all the Mariota noise covers anything else he wants to do. He could want any other guy and now no one really knows. Pretty basic really. Just a small head fake.

LegoDoom · Apr 25, 2015

eaglesnut said:
Just that all the Mariota noise covers anything else he wants to do. He could want any other guy and now no one really knows. Pretty basic really. Just a small head fake.

But once Mariota is off the board, then everyone else is still in play. There is no longer deception as everyone else knows the Eagles need a WR, OL and DB. It only really makes sense if he wants someone else to take Mariota in order to push a player further down in the draft. And that only makes sense if Chip wants to trade up into the top 5 in order to pick his real target that is still available because Mariota has already been taken. And he can only trade up that far if he includes Kendricks, Cox, or a future 1st. He can't include Bradford at that point because we'd only have Sanchez left as a starter.

Now, if you think Mariota slips past the Jets, then I would agree that he could trade up into the 8-10 range without tipping his hand, but I personally think that Mariotta will be a top 10 pick.

eaglesnut · Apr 25, 2015

LegoDoom said:
But once Mariota is off the board, then everyone else is still in play. There is no longer deception as everyone else knows the Eagles need a WR, OL and DB. It only really makes sense if he wants someone else to take Mariota in order to push a player further down in the draft. And that only makes sense if Chip wants to trade up into the top 5 in order to pick his real target that is still available because Mariota has already been taken. And he can only trade up that far if he includes Kendricks, Cox, or a future 1st. He can't include Bradford at that point because we'd only have Sanchez left as a starter.

Now, if you think Mariota slips past the Jets, then I would agree that he could trade up into the 8-10 range without tipping his hand, but I personally think that Mariotta will be a top 10 pick.

you naming possible positions instead of actual players is exactly the point.

Wings · Apr 26, 2015

No matter what, I think Kendricks, Boykin and Mathis are gonna be shopped for draft picks.....Either included in a trade for Mariota or just flat out shopped for other picks. There is a reason Kendricks was not at OTA's, and that is most likely because the Eagles told him not to be.

As for Mariota, he is the Andrew Luck of this draft for Chips offense....and if there is an Andrew Luck available, you have to go all in on him...Which I fully expect Chip to do.

old duke · Apr 26, 2015

Also, Curry will be traded, I'm sure. He should bring back a 2nd rd pick. Good pass rushes are at a premium. I just hope we can get this done without too many #1s, and especially not giving up Cox. If that happens though, I trust Chip to get a good replacement either through the draft, or trade. They're out there, you just have to find them, and I think Marynowitz and Chip know what they're doing, unlike the past many years.

WIZ · Apr 26, 2015

I'd love for Chip to stay put. Mariota would probably fall to 20.

Taz · Apr 26, 2015

I don't even know where to start with all these "rumors". Is anything possible, yes and if Chip is presented with a reasonable offer I can see him jumping on it. But really when was the last time in the NFL a player was traded to a team in the offseason to only be traded again. This all makes for good media but none of it is good football. Really think about it for a minutes, if Chip is the genius a lot of you make him out to be, then there is no way in hell he gives us his best defensive lineman in Fletcher Cox and significantly weakens his front 3, his anointed QB in Bradford who he seriously overpaid for, Kendricks who is a solid linebacker plus picks. Just isn't going to happen.

If he does get Mariota, it would be because he was available in a place where he could trade up to get him without selling the farm. Say late top 10 (7,8,9) and he gives up 20 plus his 2016 1st rounder and maybe a player like Boykin. Then maybe he can move Bradford and get back the 2nd round pick he traded to him. Net would be two 1's, Boykin, Foles and a 4th round pick. That is still a high price but not a price that hurts the team too much in the future.

eaglesnut · Apr 26, 2015

Can't believe anyone that watches football at higher than the peewee level would put mariota and Andrew luck in the same sentence. That's embarrassing.

Rey · Apr 26, 2015

On an "overall" level Mariota is miles behind Luck. If you are a team with a traditional behind Center and huddle every play scheme ... Mariota is a redshirt first year prospect. For the Eagles however Mariota is exactly the QB Chip wants as he would be doing similar things he did at Oregon with the plays from the sidelines on posters, read option every down and a race to get the play off every snap. Plus Chip already knows all his strengths and weaknesses ... there's no guesswork involved like there normally is when you don't know a prospect. Chip would tailor the Offense around what Marcus does best from day 1. There's no better match.

Go Gettem Chip!!!

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