Hall of Fame announcement

ChrisPozz · 02-04-2012, 04:56 PM

Live on NFL Network right now.

The ten modern era candidates remaining: Cris Carter, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Charles Haley, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, Bill Parcells, Andre Reed, Willie Roaf, Aeneas Williams.

The 5 who were eliminated after the cut today: Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Eddie DeBartolo, Jr., Kevin Greene, Will Shields

The actual Hall of Fame class for this year is coming up in a few minutes.

MW49ers5 · 02-04-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisPozz

Live on NFL Network right now.

The ten modern era candidates remaining: Cris Carter, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Charles Haley, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, Bill Parcells, Andre Reed, Willie Roaf, Aeneas Williams.

The 5 who were eliminated after the cut today: Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Eddie DeBartolo, Jr., Kevin Greene, Will Shields

The actual Hall of Fame class for this year is coming up in a few minutes.

Fingers crossed for Haley - too bad for Mr. D.

ChrisPozz · 02-04-2012, 05:03 PM

Here they are:

Jack Butler (senior committee nominee)
Dermontti Dawson
Chris Doleman
Cortez Kennedy
Curtis Martin
Willie Roaf

I'm slightly surprised by the Parcells omission. Everybody was talking him up to be a lock? I can see both sides but everybody that I watched this week had him as a lock.

NinerSickness · 02-04-2012, 05:24 PM

My top 5 would be (in no particular order):

Roaf
Kennedy
Carter
Parcells
Aneas Williams

Williams was probably one of the 5 best CBs to ever play. And he was a great FS in his later years. I think he was more CONSISTENTLY dominant than Darrell Green on a team with a craptastic pass rush. JMHO.

MW49ers5 · 02-04-2012, 05:34 PM

Chris, do you have your finger on the Rookie of the Year awards?

MW49ers5 · 02-04-2012, 05:39 PM

Newton.....AP Offensive Rookie of the Year
Harbaugh..AP Coach of the Year

Flyingiguana · 02-04-2012, 06:30 PM

how did tim brown not make the cut?

tallglassofwater007 · 02-04-2012, 07:24 PM

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how did tim brown not make the cut?

How did Cris Carter not make it AGAIN!?!?!? It seems like receivers are getting hosed these days. What does that say about Owens' and Moss's chances for first ballot?? I think those guys are both first ballot guys, but who knows. They had better stats but awful attitudes most of their careers so I wonder if that will hold any weight.

MW49ers5 · 02-04-2012, 07:30 PM

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How did Cris Carter not make it AGAIN!?!?!? It seems like receivers are getting hosed these days. What does that say about Owens' and Moss's chances for first ballot?? I think those guys are both first ballot guys, but who knows. They had better stats but awful attitudes most of their careers so I wonder if that will hold any weight.

Great Question!!...Makes me wonder if the HOF is becoming politicized...

crash · 02-04-2012, 08:01 PM

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How did Cris Carter not make it AGAIN!?!?!? It seems like receivers are getting hosed these days. What does that say about Owens' and Moss's chances for first ballot?? I think those guys are both first ballot guys, but who knows. They had better stats but awful attitudes most of their careers so I wonder if that will hold any weight.

This could be a big reason why he isnt getting in the HOF Shortly after, Carter had a falling out with coach Buddy Ryan and was a surprise cut following the pre-season. Carter later admitted that Ryan released him because of alcohol and drug abuse, large amounts of ecstasy and marijuana being his drugs of choice, and credits his former coach with helping him turn his life around as a result

MW49ers5 · 02-04-2012, 08:04 PM

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This could be a big reason why he isnt getting in the HOF Shortly after, Carter had a falling out with coach Buddy Ryan and was a surprise cut following the pre-season. Carter later admitted that Ryan released him because of alcohol and drug abuse, large amounts of ecstasy and marijuana being his drugs of choice, and credits his former coach with helping him turn his life around as a result

Outstanding post, Crash - Thanks...

Flyingiguana · 02-04-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tallglassofwater007

How did Cris Carter not make it AGAIN!?!?!? It seems like receivers are getting hosed these days. What does that say about Owens' and Moss's chances for first ballot?? I think those guys are both first ballot guys, but who knows. They had better stats but awful attitudes most of their careers so I wonder if that will hold any weight.

wait a min, cris carter didn't get in yet? wow

i dont really follow the hall of fame selections, that's a huge surprise.

Arete Tzu · 02-05-2012, 01:53 AM

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This could be a big reason why he isnt getting in the HOF Shortly after, Carter had a falling out with coach Buddy Ryan and was a surprise cut following the pre-season. Carter later admitted that Ryan released him because of alcohol and drug abuse, large amounts of ecstasy and marijuana being his drugs of choice, and credits his former coach with helping him turn his life around as a result

So what he learned from it and eventually turned his career around, It's not like it was first ballot, no one can deny he was one of the best to ever play that position. How many years did it take Michael Irvin to get accepted? Carter was better than him, both had drug problems.

tallglassofwater007 · 02-05-2012, 02:50 AM

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So what he learned from it and eventually turned his career around, It's not like it was first ballot, no one can deny he was one of the best to ever play that position. How many years did it take Michael Irvin to get accepted? Carter was better than him, both had drug problems.

Irvin was second ballot I think?? Either way, he shouldn't be in there. He gets in because of the overall team dominance, but he wasn't that great. In my opinion he isn't deserving. It's like they put him in there so they could hear his induction speech. I thought he was overacting a bit on that speech myself.

crash · 02-05-2012, 06:32 AM

lets compare stats...

Chris Carter

8x pro bowl

Receptions 1,101

Receiving yards 13,899

Touchdowns 130

0 super bowl rings

Michael Irvin

5x pro bowler
Receptions 750

Receiving yards 11,904

Touchdowns 65

Has 3 super bowl rings

he been arrested for drugs,sexual assault,cutting a player with a knife, hmm he gets into the hall of fame but chris carter doesn't what a shame

tallglassofwater007 · 02-05-2012, 10:41 AM

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lets compare stats...

Chris Carter

8x pro bowl

Receptions 1,101

Receiving yards 13,899

Touchdowns 130

0 super bowl rings

Michael Irvin

5x pro bowler
Receptions 750

Receiving yards 11,904

Touchdowns 65

Has 3 super bowl rings

he been arrested for drugs,sexual assault,cutting a player with a knife, hmm he gets into the hall of fame but chris carter doesn't what a shame

Yeah, this is just crazy to me. I think it means less for a WR to have a couple rings than it does for a QB to have them. And that's why Irvin probably got in. The QB is leading the team and he touches the ball every offensive play. I am not even a big Cris Carter fan, but he had probably the best hands of any receiver of all time and put up numbers for a long time. Hopefully he gets in there next year.

MW49ers5 · 02-05-2012, 11:29 AM

Carter was never Jerry and he was never going to put up the #'s Jerry did, but I always thought he deserved his spot on the list of the greatest of all time and damn well deserves to be in the HOF...IMO.

AU_Fever · 02-05-2012, 11:37 AM

I too was surprised that neither Chris Carter or Tim Brown made the HOF. Four linemen(two offensive & two defensive) were selected. I would have thought that one receiver and possibly Parcells would have been chosen.

MW49ers5 · 02-05-2012, 11:41 AM

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I too was surprised that neither Chris Carter or Tim Brown made the HOF. Four linemen(two offensive & two defensive) were selected. I would have thought that one receiver and possibly Parcells would have been chosen.

Embarrassingly, I keep forgetting Brown and I shouldn't - you're right, Fever he deserves his jacket as well...

threelittlebirds · 02-05-2012, 12:23 PM

Yeah, I don't know what Tim Brown and Cris Carter did to piss off the HOF voters... but it is crazy that they keep getting overlooked. I assume they get passed over because they aren't Jerry Rice...

But, then why does Chris Doleman get put in when he wasn't Reggie White or Bruce Smith? Why does Curtis Martin make it when he wasn't Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders?

02-04-2012, 04:56 PM	#1
ChrisPozz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,508 Rep Power: 513	Hall of Fame announcement Live on NFL Network right now. The ten modern era candidates remaining: Cris Carter, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Charles Haley, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin, Bill Parcells, Andre Reed, Willie Roaf, Aeneas Williams. The 5 who were eliminated after the cut today: Jerome Bettis, Tim Brown, Eddie DeBartolo, Jr., Kevin Greene, Will Shields The actual Hall of Fame class for this year is coming up in a few minutes.

02-05-2012, 11:37 AM	#18
AU_Fever Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Land of milk and honey Posts: 192 Rep Power: 8	I too was surprised that neither Chris Carter or Tim Brown made the HOF. Four linemen(two offensive & two defensive) were selected. I would have thought that one receiver and possibly Parcells would have been chosen. __________________ Do not be one of those who, rather than risk failure, never attempt anything. Thomas Merton

02-04-2012, 05:03 PM	#3
ChrisPozz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,508 Rep Power: 513	Here they are: Jack Butler (senior committee nominee) Dermontti Dawson Chris Doleman Cortez Kennedy Curtis Martin Willie Roaf I'm slightly surprised by the Parcells omission. Everybody was talking him up to be a lock? I can see both sides but everybody that I watched this week had him as a lock.

02-04-2012, 05:24 PM	#4
NinerSickness Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,681 Rep Power: 499	My top 5 would be (in no particular order): Roaf Kennedy Carter Parcells Aneas Williams Williams was probably one of the 5 best CBs to ever play. And he was a great FS in his later years. I think he was more CONSISTENTLY dominant than Darrell Green on a team with a craptastic pass rush. JMHO.

02-04-2012, 05:34 PM	#5
MW49ers5 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,006 Rep Power: 336	Chris, do you have your finger on the Rookie of the Year awards?

02-04-2012, 05:39 PM	#6
MW49ers5 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,006 Rep Power: 336	Newton.....AP Offensive Rookie of the Year Harbaugh..AP Coach of the Year

02-04-2012, 06:30 PM	#7
Flyingiguana Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,846 Rep Power: 2137	how did tim brown not make the cut?

02-05-2012, 06:32 AM	#15
crash Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: United states Posts: 1,536 Rep Power: 127	lets compare stats... Chris Carter 8x pro bowl Receptions 1,101 Receiving yards 13,899 Touchdowns 130 0 super bowl rings Michael Irvin 5x pro bowler Receptions 750 Receiving yards 11,904 Touchdowns 65 Has 3 super bowl rings he been arrested for drugs,sexual assault,cutting a player with a knife, hmm he gets into the hall of fame but chris carter doesn't what a shame

02-05-2012, 11:29 AM	#17
MW49ers5 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,006 Rep Power: 336	Carter was never Jerry and he was never going to put up the #'s Jerry did, but I always thought he deserved his spot on the list of the greatest of all time and damn well deserves to be in the HOF...IMO.

02-05-2012, 12:23 PM	#20
threelittlebirds anteater Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 2,889 Rep Power: 379	Yeah, I don't know what Tim Brown and Cris Carter did to piss off the HOF voters... but it is crazy that they keep getting overlooked. I assume they get passed over because they aren't Jerry Rice... But, then why does Chris Doleman get put in when he wasn't Reggie White or Bruce Smith? Why does Curtis Martin make it when he wasn't Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders?