Santorum doubles down on stupid

Leader O'Cola · 02-19-2012, 03:45 PM

Daily Kos: Santorum Calls for Conservative Education Commissars

Daily Kos: Santorum calls for the abolition of public schools

olympicoscar · 02-19-2012, 05:14 PM

This is not surprising that Santorum would call for the end of public education. He hates the fact that prayer is outlawed and he considers that, the main reason for the failures of public education.

Most families cannot either afford private school or lack the ability to homeschool their children. The result would mean the end of social mobility in this country, one of the foundations of our society.

tech_iceman · 02-19-2012, 05:26 PM

Santorum said the public education system was an artifact of the Industrial Revolution, "when people came off the farms where they did home school or had a little neighborhood school, and into these big factories … called public schools."

he makes it sound like those home schooled farmers were geniuses and public schools brought them down

JuiceTheGator · 02-19-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tech_iceman

Santorum said the public education system was an artifact of the Industrial Revolution, "when people came off the farms where they did home school or had a little neighborhood school, and into these big factories … called public schools."

he makes it sound like those home schooled farmers were geniuses and public schools brought them down

Hmmm. Well, there can be no doubt at the failure of modern public schools. It's not just the disappointing test scores - it's more about SO much money pouring into a system that just doesn't improve.

I wish I could find a good chart about reading skills 100 years ago.

tech_iceman · 02-19-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Hmmm. Well, there can be no doubt at the failure of modern public schools. It's not just the disappointing test scores - it's more about SO much money pouring into a system that just doesn't improve.

I wish I could find a good chart about reading skills 100 years ago.

it was probably good in the city and especially in the rich areas... not so much in the poor, rural areas

and how does that apply to what I quoted? he said the Industrial Revolution, not 1984

JuiceTheGator · 02-19-2012, 06:29 PM

I was thinking the little schoolhouses provided a much better education...and always worse in the cities since that's has always been the melting pot of immigrants and poverty.

olympicoscar · 02-19-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Hmmm. Well, there can be no doubt at the failure of modern public schools. It's not just the disappointing test scores - it's more about SO much money pouring into a system that just doesn't improve.

I wish I could find a good chart about reading skills 100 years ago.

It's not the schools that are failing, it's the students and their parents. There is too much competition from television, cell phones, sports and social life.

The literacy rates are probably higher than 100 years ago, but that's not saying much. We had a lot of immigrants and poor people that didn't send their kids to school because they were needed to work.

Today, with the emphasis on reading and math, we are faced with a large amount of students that come from broken homes, drug problems, and a lack of general respect for teachers.

tech_iceman · 02-19-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

I was thinking the little schoolhouses provided a much better education...and always worse in the cities since that's has always been the melting pot of immigrants and poverty.

possibly... they probably gave a good basic education, but nothing else (like science and algebra)

potzer25 · 02-19-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Hmmm. Well, there can be no doubt at the failure of modern public schools. It's not just the disappointing test scores - it's more about SO much money pouring into a system that just doesn't improve.

I wish I could find a good chart about reading skills 100 years ago.

*funding

Is that graph normalized to population?

Leader O'Cola · 02-19-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Hmmm. Well, there can be no doubt at the failure of modern public schools. It's not just the disappointing test scores - it's more about SO much money pouring into a system that just doesn't improve.

I wish I could find a good chart about reading skills 100 years ago.

is that adjusted for inflation ?

JuiceTheGator · 02-19-2012, 09:01 PM

^^ Yes, it's in billions of dollars spent per student and seasonally adjusted to the CPI core. <sarcasm> I don't fucking know! I do know the student pop. hasn't quadrupled like what we're spending. The difference goes to lovely administration buildings and other bullshit I'm convinced.

tech_iceman · 02-19-2012, 09:08 PM

Highland Park has a parking garage...

potzer25 · 02-19-2012, 09:43 PM

Anyway, there seems to be improvement lately:
NAEP - 2008 Long-Term Trend: Reading Overall Results

It stopped increasing at that rate shortly after 2004...
http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/ESEA_..._FY2002-12.pdf

Leader O'Cola · 02-19-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

^^ Yes, it's in billions of dollars spent per student and seasonally adjusted to the CPI core. <sarcasm> I don't fucking know! I do know the student pop. hasn't quadrupled like what we're spending. The difference goes to lovely administration buildings and other bullshit I'm convinced.

BrawlinHawkeye · 02-20-2012, 11:18 AM

Santorum !! Santorum !! Santorum !!

USA !! USA !! USA !!

huskers1217 · 02-20-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by olympicoscar

It's not the schools that are failing, it's the students and their parents. There is too much competition from television, cell phones, sports and social life.

The literacy rates are probably higher than 100 years ago, but that's not saying much. We had a lot of immigrants and poor people that didn't send their kids to school because they were needed to work.

Today, with the emphasis on reading and math, we are faced with a large amount of students that come from broken homes, drug problems, and a lack of general respect for teachers.

they aren't helping.....

schools are shit today because discipline was taken out and unions protect the teacher too much.

huskers1217 · 02-20-2012, 11:31 AM

its time to teach kids real world shit and take out shakespeare and all that other shit.

kids going into high school today have no idea how to properly diagram a sentence.

olympicoscar · 02-20-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by huskers1217

they aren't helping.....

schools are shit today because discipline was taken out and unions protect the teacher too much.

Discipline was downgraded because of lawsuits. The schools had no choice. Unions in Texas have no power, though they do up North.

olympicoscar · 02-20-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by huskers1217

its time to teach kids real world shit and take out shakespeare and all that other shit.

kids going into high school today have no idea how to properly diagram a sentence.

Shakespeare is worthless but diagramming a sentence has value??????

Proper sentence structure and being able to write is worthwhile, but learning how to diagram has even less value than Shakespeare.

AHFox · 02-20-2012, 10:09 PM

There are two problems with public education.

One we need to rid the education system with piss poor teachers and pay the ones that actually make a kid work and be accountable.

Second parents yes parents need to back the teachers and not always their dumbass kids.

Untill that happens our public education system is fucked.

02-19-2012, 03:45 PM	#1
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tech_iceman #winning Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Texas Posts: 17,987 Rep Power: 8993	Santorum said the public education system was an artifact of the Industrial Revolution, "when people came off the farms where they did home school or had a little neighborhood school, and into these big factories … called public schools." he makes it sound like those home schooled farmers were geniuses and public schools brought them down __________________ I just wanna

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JuiceTheGator Engorged Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sw Florida Posts: 11,339 Rep Power: 32508	I was thinking the little schoolhouses provided a much better education...and always worse in the cities since that's has always been the melting pot of immigrants and poverty. __________________ All I really want is to learn something new and interesting. Surprise me dumbass.

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JuiceTheGator Engorged Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sw Florida Posts: 11,339 Rep Power: 32508	^^ Yes, it's in billions of dollars spent per student and seasonally adjusted to the CPI core. <sarcasm> I don't fucking know! I do know the student pop. hasn't quadrupled like what we're spending. The difference goes to lovely administration buildings and other bullshit I'm convinced. __________________ All I really want is to learn something new and interesting. Surprise me dumbass.

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tech_iceman #winning Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Texas Posts: 17,987 Rep Power: 8993	Highland Park has a parking garage... __________________ I just wanna

02-19-2012, 05:14 PM	#2
olympicoscar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Dallas Posts: 2,428 Rep Power: 13602	This is not surprising that Santorum would call for the end of public education. He hates the fact that prayer is outlawed and he considers that, the main reason for the failures of public education. Most families cannot either afford private school or lack the ability to homeschool their children. The result would mean the end of social mobility in this country, one of the foundations of our society.

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potzer25 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: SF East Bay Posts: 3,405 Rep Power: 12091	Anyway, there seems to be improvement lately: NAEP - 2008 Long-Term Trend: Reading Overall Results It stopped increasing at that rate shortly after 2004... http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/ESEA_..._FY2002-12.pdf __________________ pearls before swine

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huskers1217 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 27,143 Rep Power: 70212	its time to teach kids real world shit and take out shakespeare and all that other shit. kids going into high school today have no idea how to properly diagram a sentence.

02-20-2012, 10:09 PM	#20
AHFox Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SD Posts: 507 Rep Power: 787	There are two problems with public education. One we need to rid the education system with piss poor teachers and pay the ones that actually make a kid work and be accountable. Second parents yes parents need to back the teachers and not always their dumbass kids. Untill that happens our public education system is fucked.