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Old 02-17-2012, 01:03 PM   #21
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This was an unConstitutional theft of taxpayer dollars to float a shitty company because of its union political contributions and votes. It lies where chrony capitalism and socialism meet in an underground cesspool.

This fiasco was the exact opposite of money well spent...money we don't have.
This is not unconstitutional. The government loans money all the time. It outright gives money to certain countries with no hope of financial repayment.

Everything with you is socialism. If the company is so bad, how do you explain the over 11 billion in profits the last 2 years?
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This is not unconstitutional. The government loans money all the time. It outright gives money to certain countries with no hope of financial repayment.

Everything with you is socialism. If the company is so bad, how do you explain the over 11 billion in profits the last 2 years?
Sweetheart, they only "loaned" a little to GM. The rest of the funds you hear about actually purchased company stock. They control the BOD and everything. It's totally unConstitutional. That's what we've been talking about...dividends n' such.
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Sweetheart, they only "loaned" a little to GM. The rest of the funds you hear about actually purchased company stock. They control the BOD and everything. It's totally unConstitutional. That's what we've been talking about...dividends n' such.
Yea. GM's success is a result of shit they've been planning for probably over half a decade. But it scares me that the Obama admin may think it's actually an example of how a government takeover of industry could actually work....which is a historically stupid thing to allow.
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Sweetheart, they only "loaned" a little to GM. The rest of the funds you hear about actually purchased company stock. They control the BOD and everything. It's totally unConstitutional. That's what we've been talking about...dividends n' such.
No fagela, that's not what we're talking about. Making a profit has nothing to do with the loans. See we have this thing called revenues and expenditures. Revenues are what you take in, and expenditures are what you pay out. When revenues exceed expenditures it's called a PROFIT. Apparently revenues exceeded expenditures by 7.6 billion.

BTW, what part of the constitution says this loan is unconstitutional?
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Well, now we all know how those original GM shareholders and bondholders felt........when they got the shaft.....

what part of investments bearing risk is too much for you to grasp?
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No fagela, that's not what we're talking about. Making a profit has nothing to do with the loans. See we have this thing called revenues and expenditures. Revenues are what you take in, and expenditures are what you pay out. When revenues exceed expenditures it's called a PROFIT. Apparently revenues exceeded expenditures by 7.6 billion.

BTW, what part of the constitution says this loan is unconstitutional?

You gotta' be just fuckin' with me. You troll bastard...knock it off!!
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Well, I mean - that's a direct question, right? You seem to have all the answers (for example, we ignorants have learned from you that Obama used to be a summer intern for the Weather Underground). Let's hear it on this one.
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Well, I mean - that's a direct question, right? You seem to have all the answers (for example, we ignorants have learned from you that Obama used to be a summer intern for the Weather Underground). Let's hear it on this one.
That lil' theory is as plausible as any of 'em.
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Yea. GM's success is a result of shit they've been planning for probably over half a decade. But it scares me that the Obama admin may think it's actually an example of how a government takeover of industry could actually work....which is a historically stupid thing to allow.
The how Obie is selling it already for his campaign - a great victory for working people in MI.

Look at today's Obama fundraising email:


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This is the first of regular updates we'll be sending with actions you can take immediately to help support the President -- to debunk false attacks and make sure folks hear about what we've accomplished.

Here's how it works: We'll round up the best of our posts and turn them into short items, with Facebook and Twitter buttons after each so you can instantly share them with friends and family as you go down the list.

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#1 ROMNEY FLIPS ON EARMARKS
This morning, Mitt's up with a new ad in Michigan slamming Rick Santorum for supporting earmarks. The thing is, before he ran for president, Mitt Romney was a pretty big fan of earmarks himself. In 2002, he requested "hundreds of millions of dollars in federal aid" for the Salt Lake City Olympics. He did it as governor of Massachusetts for the Big Dig project too, saying "I'd be embarrassed if I didn't always ask for federal money whenever I got the chance." Call him on his hypocrisy while the story's still breaking:



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This week, after President Obama released his 2013 budget plan, Rick Santorum called it "preposterous, not only in overall funding but in priorities." But a closer look at Santorum's plan shows he'd cut taxes for the wealthy, raise taxes for some families with children, and slash Social Security and Medicare under the "Cut, Cap, and Balance" plan. Here's the best part: Santorum's plan won't balance anything -- it actually adds to the deficit. Preposterous, indeed. Fight back:



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how funny, JtG is this megarich business owner, hates Obama, but gets his email (that you need to ask for??) , and can't hire someone to write a mail rule to filter this for him
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You gotta' be just fuckin' with me. You troll bastard...knock it off!!
No, apparently you don't understand. The loans from the government kept the company going. They would not have made a profit unless people bought their cars.

Therefore you add up GM's share of the sale price of the cars, that would be called revenue, and then you subtract the cost of production of the cars, which includes labor, add in overhead and other costs and that would be called expenditures. Revenue minus expenditures = PROFIT.

To save you some time, other costs would include a variety of expenditures too numerous to list. This is a very simplistic model of course and a variety of things go into revenue and expenditures, but if you look at any government balance sheet it works the same way.

Dividends was not the subject of this thread. Thats another matter altogether.

Still waiting to hear from you what was unconstitutional.

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No, apparently you don't understand. The loans from the government kept the company going. They would not have made a profit unless people bought their cars.

Therefore you add up GM's share of the sale price of the cars, that would be called revenue, and then you subtract the cost of production of the cars, which includes labor, add in overhead and other costs and that would be called expenditures. Revenue minus expenditures = PROFIT. <OMFG!>

To save you some time, other costs would include a variety of expenditures too numerous to list. This is a very simplistic model of course and a variety of things go into revenue and expenditures, but if you look at any government balance sheet it works the same way.

Dividends was not the subject of this thread. Thats another matter altogether.

Still waiting to hear from you what was unconstitutional.


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All three of you are retarded.
Have you ever taken a basic business course? Revenues minus expenditures equal profits is pretty basic. I've looked at enough balance sheets over the years to paper a house and I'm sure you have also.

What is the problem you are having with that statement?

Still waiting for an answer on what was unconstitutional about the loan.
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All three of you are retarded.
You are a habitual liar. I get the same emails but did NOT get the one you pasted. Know why? I didn't sign up for when announced:
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You are a habitual liar. I get the same emails but did NOT get the one you pasted. Know why? I didn't sign up for when announced:

It's also confirmed in first sentence you pasted that you signed up for it.

Stop being a troll, lying and calling people names.
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The effort could help the Obama campaign build a database that would enable it to target Republican voters during the general election campaign. But, more perniciously, it could also become part of an Democratic effort to influence Republican primary voters to select a candidate Democrats think Obama could most easily defeat.

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