Speaking of Canada...

[sooner78wakeboard.]

Originally Posted by clarkson23devils

This is what disturbs me it seems more people are looking more to argue with jtg than discuss the issue.Let me break this down on a smaller scale.We have several pipelines at work.We also have a metro train that runs straight down the middle along with several other obstacles.When we need to install a new pipeline we are always dealing with several obstacles including environmental issues.We do not have time to drag the job out yet we always manage to come up with solutions that abide by all environmental issues along with obstacles and ensure the route taken is safe in all aspects.last time it took us 2 days to devise a tout that was aproved by the epa and the train.It's amazing what you can do when you treat things as a priority and set your mind to it.Bigger scale or not I'm going to have to call bullshit on these excuses.If we lose the pipeline to Asia I place the blame on the leadership where it rightfully belongs.Regardless of my opinion on him Obama is dropping the ball on this pipeline point blank

The idea that this pipeline just came up out of nowhere and the government really hasn't had time to study it is really b/s. This pipeline has been the talk of the industry for years. TransCanada is one of the companies involved in the project, and if anyone has followed thier stock/company reports. They would know that they have been planning this for years.

Like I said before in regards to the environment. It's way easier to prevent a disaster and have less impact on the environment with leaking, because of the number of valves, and accessibilty to actual workers. Way easier and have a much better track record than deep water drilling and oil tankers going across the ocean.

[potzer25]

I still don't understand how you people think this could have been approved so quickly. The new route was not even proposed until November - after the state of Nebraska forced the issue asking to re-route around the Sand Hills region (A pipeline 'avoidance zone'? - Omaha.com). The original proposal was studied for nearly a year. This isn't some minor adjustment of an already approved route.

There is currently only ~3000 miles of of crude oil or liquid pipelines crossing the Ogallala Aquifer.

The politics of pipe: Keystone's troubled route - The Globe and Mail

The company failed to listen to key voices. In Nebraska, TransCanada faced down a year of calls to switch its route around the Sand Hills, calls that came from powerful people like Nebraska’s governor and its two U.S. senators. The company refused, adamantly. The Sand Hills route, it said, was far and away the best.

Then, on November 10, 2011, the State department said it had “determined it needs to undertake an in-depth assessment of potential alternative routes in Nebraska,” citing the environmental sensitivities of the Sand Hills. Public concern had trumped technical reassurances. Hollywood had trumped the engineers.

It took four days for TransCanada to agree to change the route and skip the Sand Hills, prompting the question of whether it could have avoided the conflict all along.

[ForkEmBucky]

Well. As for Keystone, that aquifer needs to be protected. People don't realize that the Enbridge line leaked not that long ago. Also, there are already pipelines running from close to the tar sands in Canada...to Lake Superior. And this is the reason why Paul Ryan wanted to build new refineries in the United States. A new refinery in North Dakota could be built to support tar sands oil as well as oil being pumped locally.



But anyway. It's actually good for Canada in the long run. And good for the world in the long run. The more oil we get to China from a source other than Iran...the better.

[goDAWGSsicem]

They are trying to build a new refinery in South Dakota.

Court hearing set in Union County oil refinery dispute

Unfortunately, the same people trying to block the pipeline are trying to block this as well.

Originally Posted by ForkEmBucky

... And good for the world in the long run. The more oil we get to China from a source other than Iran...the better.

... but wouldn't that mean that we would have to get more oil from "unfavorable" countries?

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by potzer25

What are you trying to prove? I already posted the map for you - from a pro-Keystone XL website no less. It shows you the pipelines and type that traverse Nebraska (you know, the actual location in question.) Looking at a map of pipelines all over the US is not relevant.

Don't yell at me! I was just telling LoserOC to get his own pipeline map if mine was "too small to read."

I swear - that boi is like throwin' a weasel into a henhouse.

[potzer25]

An exclamation mark ("!"), such as the one included in your post, would indicate yelling. My post included no such punctuation and I would appreciate if you refrain from continuing to make unsubstantiated accusations about poster's beliefs and actions.

[ForkEmBucky]

Originally Posted by goDAWGSsicem

They are trying to build a new refinery in South Dakota.

Court hearing set in Union County oil refinery dispute

Unfortunately, the same people trying to block the pipeline are trying to block this as well.



... but wouldn't that mean that we would have to get more oil from "unfavorable" countries?

We don't get oil from Iran. Meanwhile China's interests in Iran are a serious problem for us.