After the Superpac ruling in 2010 didn't someone speak against that? Who was that?

[sooner78wakeboard.]

Oh yeah, Obama.....

Super PAC man Obama

If you recall, shortly after the 2010 ruling, Obama harshly criticized the idea of super PACs and urged both parties to come together to “pass a bill that helps to right this wrong.” But, well, wait, huh.....aren't you, yourself using Superpacs? The same thing you are against?

[li0lsh]

It's super fucked.

[JuiceTheGator]

I thought you were going to say it was George W Bush.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by sooner78wakeboard.

Oh yeah, Obama.....

Super PAC man Obama

If you recall, shortly after the 2010 ruling, Obama harshly criticized the idea of super PACs and urged both parties to come together to “pass a bill that helps to right this wrong.” But, well, wait, huh.....aren't you, yourself using Superpacs? The same thing you are against?

He has no choice since they've been ruled legal. It's the only way he can compete with the competition. I've not doubt he would like to do away with them.

[Smart]

He says that there needs to be "a fair field." That's funny, because he wasn't too concerned about a fair field when John McCain stuck to his promise of public financing and he broke his.

Barack Obama is a hopeless hypocrite. There's really no way to sugarcoat it.

[johnshadows64]

Ahh, Jesus Christ. Big Money owns both parties, and big money sets the rules for those who wish to play. Romney has Super Pacs supporting him, so Obama does, too. What's your argument here? That it's ok that Romney (or Gingrich or whoever) said that they'd sell their asses like corporate whores to the highest bidder upfront, but that Obama came to the realization that he'd have to do the same later in the game, reneging on some vague promise, and that's Really Bad? GTFO. The 'hypocrisy' you're pointing out is roughly 2 levels below the 'hypocrisy' of Romney opposing a federal health care plan he established the blueprint for in Massachusetts. Because that one is really expensive. All these jokers talk out of both sides of their mouths. It's not that hard to catch onto it.

[Smart]

Originally Posted by johnshadows64

The 'hypocrisy' you're pointing out is roughly 2 levels below the 'hypocrisy' of Romney opposing a federal health care plan he established the blueprint for in Massachusetts.

That's not hypocrisy at all. Those are two different constituencies and two different levels of government. The two cases really aren't comparable.

Meanwhile, Barack says that it is important to have a campaign financing system that is equal for both sides when last time he broke a promise and as a result, the two sides were in vastly different positions in fundraising. He never once apologized for it. So, Barack thinks an equal field for fundraising at a presidential election is "essential" but doesn't care about it when he has the fundraising advantage. You know what we call that: being a hypocrite.

I dare Leader or Potzer or another Democrat to defend it, and claim that it is not hypocritical. They probably wont because the reality is that it is indefensable.

PS: The idea that either political party is owned by big business is so overplayed. Do they have influence? Sure. Are they all powerful? Hell no.

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by Smart

He says that there needs to be "a fair field." That's funny, because he wasn't too concerned about a fair field when John McCain stuck to his promise of public financing and he broke his.

Barack Obama is a hopeless hypocrite. There's really no way to sugarcoat it.

Word.

Originally Posted by johnshadows64

Ahh, Jesus Christ. Big Money owns both parties, and big money sets the rules for those who wish to play. Romney has Super Pacs supporting him, so Obama does, too. What's your argument here? That it's ok that Romney (or Gingrich or whoever) said that they'd sell their asses like corporate whores to the highest bidder upfront, but that Obama came to the realization that he'd have to do the same later in the game, reneging on some vague promise, and that's Really Bad? GTFO. The 'hypocrisy' you're pointing out is roughly 2 levels below the 'hypocrisy' of Romney opposing a federal health care plan he established the blueprint for in Massachusetts. Because that one is really expensive. All these jokers talk out of both sides of their mouths. It's not that hard to catch onto it.

Word to ya Mutha'

I don't know why librul hypocrisy is just accepted in our society. From the Hollywood limosine libs to former KKK grand wizards preaching equality to Mass. politicians to ....etc etc etc.

Is the average idiot just to stupid to see this since the MSM never mentions it?

[potzer25]

Originally Posted by Smart

I dare Leader or Potzer or another Democrat to defend it, and claim that it is not hypocritical. They probably wont because the reality is that it is indefensable.

I'm not a Democrat and it's cute thinking you are calling people out. I think SuperPACs (especially the 501c(4) loophole that allows anonymous donors of any size) are not necessarily a good thing. I think the non-coordination, wink-wink relationship is a sham and unhealthy (just look at all the bickering in the Republican primary about the supposedly unrelated ads by the SuperPACs.)

[johnshadows64]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Word.

Word to ya Mutha'

I don't know why librul hypocrisy is just accepted in our society. From the Hollywood limosine libs to former KKK grand wizards preaching equality to Mass. politicians to ....etc etc etc.

Is the average idiot just to stupid to see this since the MSM never mentions it?

I wrote that they were each (Republican and Democrat) talking out of both sides of their mouths. As a matter of fact, that very phrase appears in the post. I didn't say I 'accepted' anything. I said that both sides were under the sway of the same people - the ones who buy influence. Obama is just playing the same game Romney is. And my guess is that Romney has taken a few limousine rides himself - I seriously doubt that left-leaning Movie stars have a monopoly on being chauffeured.

As far as the 'average idiot', I consider that to be the person who buys into an ideology so big that he has to deny its contradictions in order to fight off cognitive dissonance. For example the liberal who refuses to admit that welfare has, to some extent, harmed certain minority communities, since Identity Politics is the creationism of the left. Or the right-winger who says we should cut government spending, but not the military, which of course is around half of discretionary spending. That government should stay out of people's lives, unless of course they want to smoke weed, have an abortion, or make a phone call without someone at NSA listening in. John Stuart Mill said "Not all conservatives are stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives". I don't know - I'm sure there are some liberals in that crowd too.

But I'm not here to call anyone an idiot, because ad hominem is the currency of the man of weak ideas.

[JuiceTheGator]

^^ Perhaps, you don't fully understand the term "hypocrisy." Riding in a limosine does not qualify...for Romney or myself or anyone. However, riding in a limosine while preaching in the media that everyone should turn their heat down to 65 degrees is hypocrisy.
John Travolta preaching that everyone should "ride a bike to work" to save the planet was considered a nice gesture by green-weens. However, his home and lifestyle show him to be an uber-hypocrite! This is the way of the leftist, ruling class.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

^^ Perhaps, you don't fully understand the term "hypocrisy." Riding in a limosine does not qualify...for Romney or myself or anyone. However, riding in a limosine while preaching in the media that everyone should turn their heat down to 65 degrees is hypocrisy.
John Travolta preaching that everyone should "ride a bike to work" to save the planet was considered a nice gesture by green-weens. However, his home and lifestyle show him to be an uber-hypocrite! This is the way of the leftist, ruling class.

Looks like Vinnie Barbarino did ok for himself.

[johnshadows64]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

^^ Perhaps, you don't fully understand the term "hypocrisy." Riding in a limosine does not qualify...for Romney or myself or anyone. However, riding in a limosine while preaching in the media that everyone should turn their heat down to 65 degrees is hypocrisy.
John Travolta preaching that everyone should "ride a bike to work" to save the planet was considered a nice gesture by green-weens. However, his home and lifestyle show him to be an uber-hypocrite! This is the way of the leftist, ruling class.

I'll explain this for the 3rd time, in plainer language - Obama is a hypocrite, Romney is a hypocrite, and they're both corporate whores. It's not enough to read - you must also understand. And I looked around - there's no evidence that I can see that John Travolta is a 'Librul'. No political contributions, no statement of fidelity to either side of the fake opposition that is American politics. Since he's a scientologist, he most likely thinks of the rest of us as being 'suppressed persons' (SPs), and politics as being emblematic of our 'crimes'. That picture you showed there - you know what that circle back there is? It's a landing pad for an alien ship. They're coming for you, man:

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by johnshadows64

I'll explain this for the 3rd time, in plainer language - Obama is a hypocrite, Romney is a hypocrite, and they're both corporate whores. It's not enough to read - you must also understand. And I looked around - there's no evidence that I can see that John Travolta is a 'Librul'. No political contributions, no statement of fidelity to either side of the fake opposition that is American politics. Since he's a scientologist, he most likely thinks of the rest of us as being 'suppressed persons' (SPs), and politics as being emblematic of our 'crimes'. That picture you showed there - you know what that circle back there is? It's a landing pad for an alien ship. They're coming for you, man:

Really??! lol...wow. Well, even if he's crazy, I'm still not riding my bike to work to save the planet as he suggested.

With five private jets, Travolta still lectures on global warming | Showbiz

[johnshadows64]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

Really??! lol...wow. Well, even if he's crazy, I'm still not riding my bike to work to save the planet as he suggested.

With five private jets, Travolta still lectures on global warming | Showbiz

What??
I read the article - there's not jack for s*** about 'riding bikes to work to save the planet' in there. In fact, he's being blasted by environmental groups for flying all over the place. And there's still no proof he's any kind of 'librul'.

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by johnshadows64

What??
I read the article - there's not jack for s*** about 'riding bikes to work to save the planet' in there. In fact, he's being blasted by environmental groups for flying all over the place. And there's still no proof he's any kind of 'librul'.

That was 5 years ago. There were many headlines at the time. Even that old, UK article talks about how Travolta made haughty comments about his global warming concerns.

Anyway, Romney has said many times that new and controversial legislation, like socialized medicine, should be at the discretion and experimentation of the states. Only when something meets with resounding success, as Romneycare has NOT, should it be attempted nationally.

Mass is fulla' libs who were clamouring for socialized medicine. So, Romney gave it to them and, guess what, they don't like it. Knowing all that, a very similar plan just got shoved down America's throat and nobody should be happy about it. Romney is no hypocrite on that subject - even though the Obie libtards pretty much copied his Mass. plan.

[potzer25]

Juice uses "librul" to label anything he disagrees with or doesn't understand so he can simply dismiss it out of hand. Just like using the words socialist, statist or marxist or whatever other "Contrasting Words", as Gingrich would say, are in vogue.


The Cross Culturalist: Socialists Vs. Romneycare

"RomneyCare" - a revolution that basically worked - Boston.com

The Success Of "RomneyCare" In Massachusetts - Forbes

[sooner78wakeboard.]

So basically Obama was like Bush senior with Superpac's, in regards to a "read my lips" moment.

[Leader O'Cola]

Originally Posted by sooner78wakeboard.

So basically Obama was like Bush senior with Superpac's, in regards to a "read my lips" moment.

yeh... except no.

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by potzer25

....bitch and moan and whine.

The Cross Culturalist: Socialists Vs. Romneycare

"RomneyCare" - a revolution that basically worked - Boston.com

The Success Of "RomneyCare" In Massachusetts - Forbes

Polls are like buttholes - everybody has one:

Poll: Mass. Republicans want ?RomneyCare? repealed New Hampshire Journal

Romney signed the law in 2006 alongside deceased U.S. Senator and liberal lion Ted Kennedy, whom he called his “collaborator and friend.” Some of his Republican critics have attacked the plan as too liberal and Democrats have mocked Romney for inspiring President Obama’s health care reform law, which Romney opposes.

Fifty-three percent of respondents said they wanted to see the Massachusetts law repealed, while only twenty-nine percent said they wanted to keep it. Eighteen percent were undecided or unsure.

Overall the plan is unpopular with Massachusetts Republicans. Fifty-one percent have an unfavorable opinion of it (Thirty-four percent view it very unfavorably) while only thirty percent view it favorably.