Iran is creepy - war comin' fast

[ClearedHot]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

Aircraft carriers would be the likely source of an air assault. Diego Garcia is too far away for a base assault. Cruise missiles and air to surface missiles would be our best bet.

While Iran's defenses and weapons are antiquated, they still exist. Launching air strikes repeatedly from the same location is too elementary and predictable for an enemy like Iran. We would definitely need joint strikes. You could argue that Israel would help with that, but having worked with them before, I would be more willing to bet they would sit back and let us do the work.

I am not saying it is not possible, it is just not feasible at this time. Especially since we might be saddling up for Syria.

[JuiceTheGator]

^^ There's no way Iran could attack Israel through Syria right? That convoy would be the biggest turkey shoot in history. I can't think of any way they could attack Israel except via mid-range missiles. And the air attack they would have to endure just to try to get a missile off would be ridiculous...a missile most likely to be intercepted anyway.

I just don't see where this is going except the nuke thing.

[ForkEmBucky]

Hmmm. Seems to me like we could put a hell of a lot of air power over Iran if we needed to. Three aircraft carriers, bombers that are essentially global, and don't we still have a forward operations base in Qatar? Georgia is still NATO, right?

[ClearedHot]

Originally Posted by ForkEmBucky

Hmmm. Seems to me like we could put a hell of a lot of air power over Iran if we needed to. Three aircraft carriers, bombers that are essentially global, and don't we still have a forward operations base in Qatar? Georgia is still NATO, right?

Are you the former Soldier Bucky that I know from elsewhere? Also, launching from Georgia? Hahaha. That would never happen. Also, the Deid is not the best way into Iran but would work if it absolutely has to.

[ForkEmBucky]

Originally Posted by ClearedHot

Are you the former Soldier Bucky that I know from elsewhere? Also, launching from Georgia? Hahaha. That would never happen. Also, the Deid is not the best way into Iran but would work if it absolutely has to.

Nah I was never in. You know some Badger fans through your unit I take it? I do know of one Badger fan who used to post on another board. I think he said he flew F-15s. BadgerJMN or something like that.

I knew I was reaching when I suggested Georgia. I agree with a lot of other people here though. I fully believe that the tail has been wagging the dog for a long time. If Israel wants Iran invaded, I believe there are people in this country who will make it happen. I could be wrong, I guess.

I know Israel can't do it, though. They'd go nuke if they couldn't get us to go in. They have no Navy, and it'd be one long ass haul for their army, and they'd be wide open at home no matter how they got to Iran.

[ClearedHot]

Originally Posted by ForkEmBucky

Nah I was never in. You know some Badger fans through your unit I take it? I do know of one Badger fan who used to post on another board. I think he said he flew F-15s. BadgerJMN or something like that.

I knew I was reaching when I suggested Georgia. I agree with a lot of other people here though. I fully believe that the tail has been wagging the dog for a long time. If Israel wants Iran invaded, I believe there are people in this country who will make it happen. I could be wrong, I guess.

I know Israel can't do it, though. They'd go nuke if they couldn't get us to go in. They have no Navy, and it'd be one long ass haul for their army, and they'd be wide open at home no matter how they got to Iran.

I do know a lot of Sconnies through the AF. Flew F-15s? Good man.

Georgia is in Russia's backyard. They would never allow that to happen, especially since they just got belligerent over it a few years ago. Iran is all talk. It is on our radar, but not an imminent threat to any of our interests at the moment.

[ForkEmBucky]

Originally Posted by ClearedHot

I do know a lot of Sconnies through the AF. Flew F-15s? Good man.

Georgia is in Russia's backyard. They would never allow that to happen, especially since they just got belligerent over it a few years ago. Iran is all talk. It is on our radar, but not an imminent threat to any of our interests at the moment.

Hey you even knew to call us Sconnies. That's actually a fairly new thing to most people. I think I'm gonna make you an honorary Badger.

I always felt like the Bush administration was being a little unrealistic with the Georgia move. Then again, Turkey has been in for a long time and they've honestly become a little useless. We didn't have much of a reason for that anyway, just a way to piss off the Ruskies back in the day.

[fordman84]

I'm not military man, but aren't there bases we could use in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, leftover in Iraq?


I agree that Iran is all bluster, and the rhetoric comes from a few squeaky wheels while a good portion of their gov't is more even keel. But if push came to shove, I doubt we would have any issues getting bombs on the ground. After all we were able to get bombers from the states into Iraq back in 1991, I'm sure we could do it again if there haven't been any advances or fuel stops added along the way.

[ClearedHot]

Originally Posted by fordman84

I'm not military man, but aren't there bases we could use in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, leftover in Iraq?


I agree that Iran is all bluster, and the rhetoric comes from a few squeaky wheels while a good portion of their gov't is more even keel. But if push came to shove, I doubt we would have any issues getting bombs on the ground. After all we were able to get bombers from the states into Iraq back in 1991, I'm sure we could do it again if there haven't been any advances or fuel stops added along the way.

At what cost? People seem to forget that factor. Not being a military man, you are not feeling the affects of the government gutting us right now.

[johnshadows64]

Originally Posted by ClearedHot

At what cost? People seem to forget that factor. Not being a military man, you are not feeling the affects of the government gutting us right now.

The military is government, and military spending increased last year. I believe that the projected cuts due to the budget agreement are cuts in growth.

[fordman84]

Originally Posted by ClearedHot

At what cost? People seem to forget that factor. Not being a military man, you are not feeling the affects of the government gutting us right now.

It was my impression that when a war is under way there is no way budgets don't get passed or paid for somehow. What politician is going to deny the soldiers on the ground the equipment they need?

[ClearedHot]

Originally Posted by fordman84

It was my impression that when a war is under way there is no way budgets don't get passed or paid for somehow. What politician is going to deny the soldiers on the ground the equipment they need?

Hahahaha. Let us not open that can of worms in this thread. Without degrading this into a huge bitchfest about the budget cuts and fiscal irresponsibility on the part of the DoD, we are dealing with a shortage of personnel in combat aviation and supplies. They have no intention on filling the void. Do more with less. In the case of going to war with Iran, it would be do a lot more with less and try not to get too fatigued.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

^^ There's no way Iran could attack Israel through Syria right? That convoy would be the biggest turkey shoot in history. I can't think of any way they could attack Israel except via mid-range missiles. And the air attack they would have to endure just to try to get a missile off would be ridiculous...a missile most likely to be intercepted anyway.

I just don't see where this is going except the nuke thing.

There is no way Iran's planes can hit Israel. They don't have missiles that are likely to succeed either. Israel will not use a nuke since it's not necessary, at least at this point.

What I think Iran might do is use their buddies, Hezbollah, to launch missiles at Israel.

[ForkEmBucky]

Originally Posted by ClearedHot

Hahahaha. Let us not open that can of worms in this thread. Without degrading this into a huge bitchfest about the budget cuts and fiscal irresponsibility on the part of the DoD, we are dealing with a shortage of personnel in combat aviation and supplies. They have no intention on filling the void. Do more with less. In the case of going to war with Iran, it would be do a lot more with less and try not to get too fatigued.

So basically, people aren't enlisting.

I wonder why...

[rolltide14_0]

I doubt people aren't enlisting. I know about ten people from my graduating class alone that are all in the military now, which was about 3 years ago. Maybe it's just my area, but it seems like the amount of people enlisting has increased.

[potzer25]

m.guardian.co.uk

October surprise? Hope not...

[tech_iceman]

Originally Posted by ForkEmBucky

Hmmm. Seems to me like we could put a hell of a lot of air power over Iran if we needed to. Three aircraft carriers, bombers that are essentially global, and don't we still have a forward operations base in Qatar? Georgia is still NATO, right?

don't forget our subs firing off shit from God knows where

[potzer25]

Gen. McCaffrey privately briefs NBC execs on war with Iran - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

Among the many attributes one might attribute to McCaffrey and his report, incoherence is near the top of the list. He does, as I noted, make statements suggesting imminent military conflict, including his claim that “there is a significant probability of Iranian escalation in the coming 90 days” and “they are likely to further escalate,” along with the title of his first page: “Creeping toward war.” But as several emailers point out, he also tacks onto the end of the discussion on the first page the assessment of “15% probability of major military action in the coming 90 days.” The document is devoted to making military conflict appear quite likely, though he places a relatively low percentage on “major military action in the coming 90 days.”

http://media.salon.com/2012/02/Scan0011.pdf

[potzer25]

Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff' - Jeffrey Goldberg - International - The Atlantic

"You're talking about the most volatile region in the world," he said. "It will not be tolerable to a number of states in that region for Iran to have a nuclear weapon and them not to have a nuclear weapon. Iran is known to sponsor terrorist organizations, so the threat of proliferation becomes that much more severe." He went on to say, "The dangers of an Iran getting nuclear weapons that then leads to a free-for-all in the Middle East is something that I think would be very dangerous for the world."

It amazes that people on the right still don't get Obama and his attitude towards use of military force. He has been, in actions and words, the most hawkish Democratic hopeful or actual President in years. The people that think we have an appeasement policy are seriously confused...

[fordman84]

Originally Posted by potzer25

Obama to Iran and Israel: 'As President of the United States, I Don't Bluff' - Jeffrey Goldberg - International - The Atlantic



It amazes that people on the right still don't get Obama and his attitude towards use of military force. He has been, in actions and words, the most hawkish Democratic hopeful or actual President in years. The people that think we have an appeasement policy are seriously confused...

most hawkish democratic. Still puts him about 10th in line on the Republican side.

Pretty sure that if McCain were the President and he told Iran that he would bomb the F out of them if they didn't get in line, they would be paying a lot more attention. As is, they can sit back and ignore BHO because of that idiotic speech he gave to the people of Iran way back when. He does anything now, and they can use that against him to once again say "see, the US are all liars".