Is There a Better Option?

[redbengal1000]

I don't see why Ron Paul isn't one of the front runners. I don't see another guy in the GOP race that can get America back on its feet.



Unless you're thinking about these four, solid reasons not to vote for Paul of course.

[Papalou]

The problem is that the GOP has trashed each other to the point where no true conservative has a chance. The only way we get Obama out of office now is to nominate a middle of the road candidate.

So we re back to where it always ends up at election time, we wont vote in the Best candidate we ll settle for the lesser of two evils.

Special interest groups have ruined our electoral process.

[huskers1217]

so, think Herman Cain was guilty? He had a chance

[Papalou]

Originally Posted by huskers1217

so, think Herman Cain was guilty? He had a chance

I REALLY liked Cain he was a shoo in over Obama.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by redbengal1000

I don't see why Ron Paul isn't one of the front runners. I don't see another guy in the GOP race that can get America back on its feet.



Unless you're thinking about these four, solid reasons not to vote for Paul of course.

Ron Paul is totally out of touch with Americans and his form of government would collapse in a national emergency.

[redbengal1000]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

Ron Paul is totally out of touch with Americans and his form of government would collapse in a national emergency.

I trust Paul in a national emergency far before any of the other candidates. Seems as if the military agrees as well.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by redbengal1000

I trust Paul in a national emergency far before any of the other candidates. Seems as if the military agrees as well.

Ah, Celina, good town. Ate at the Pizza Hut for the first time in my life in 1972.

Anyway, the man is an isolationist. Would have been a great president in the early 1920's, but not now. He is unable to deal with the fact that we live in a global economy and that the future of all countries are tied together.

[NorthCoastSteelersFan]

The "global economy" has done NOTHING good for this nation. We need to resist further hemorrhaging of our jobs and wealth th the rest of the world.

[Leader O'Cola]

I would have a LOT more respect for him (though still disagree on numerous points) if he would have come out earlier, and more boldly and denounced the newsletters and apologized for any association and involvement. His wishywashy pseudo-denial for a decade or so has solidly earned him that albatross

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by NorthCoastSteelersFan

The "global economy" has done NOTHING good for this nation. We need to resist further hemorrhaging of our jobs and wealth th the rest of the world.

Dosen't matter. We are a part of it and there is no getting out. We have to adjust and make the best of it.

[NorthCoastSteelersFan]

I can't agree. We can resist further globalization by heavily penalizing firms that move production to other countries, and provide incentives to bring at least SOME of it back. No, we cannot fully de-globalize, but we don't have to live with the trend that we've been seeing for some time.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by NorthCoastSteelersFan

I can't agree. We can resist further globalization by heavily penalizing firms that move production to other countries, and provide incentives to bring at least SOME of it back. No, we cannot fully de-globalize, but we don't have to live with the trend that we've been seeing for some time.

We trade with these countries. They produce products that are often cheaper than those made in America. As a result, US citizens want to buy it. What we need is to force China to regulate it's currency to the true value. That would make Chinese goods less desirable in this country.

[redbengal1000]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

Ah, Celina, good town. Ate at the Pizza Hut for the first time in my life in 1972.

Anyway, the man is an isolationist. Would have been a great president in the early 1920's, but not now. He is unable to deal with the fact that we live in a global economy and that the future of all countries are tied together.

You're from Dallas and know about Celina? I actually live about 10 minutes away, but I'm close.

I agree we can't completely isolate ourselves, but in the past every country prospered when they began to worry about themselves instead of others. I know it's different now than in the past, but what we've been doing hasn't been working.

I want to at least stop sticking our noses in everyone's business. A large part of the hate to America is due to us getting involved in everyone else's issues. As Paul says, "Bring our troops home to protect our borders, rather than the borders of the Middle East."

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by redbengal1000

You're from Dallas and know about Celina? I actually live about 10 minutes away, but I'm close.

I agree we can't completely isolate ourselves, but in the past every country prospered when they began to worry about themselves instead of others. I know it's different now than in the past, but what we've been doing hasn't been working.

I want to at least stop sticking our noses in everyone's business. A large part of the hate to America is due to us getting involved in everyone else's issues. As Paul says, "Bring our troops home to protect our borders, rather than the borders of the Middle East."

I believe that's where most of his supports comes from, sir. He gets some from the legalize pot crowd, more from the strict Constitutionalist peeps and quite a few from the "fuck the Federal Reserve" peeps.

I'm voting for him in the primary to send a message that I'd like to see more adherence to the Constitution. However, if I thought he could win, I wouldn't. I talk about how the Fed has been a mess and what they're doing to the dollar is wrong. The thing is - if we got rid of the Fed. Res., our monetary policy control would probably go to Congress. That would be like giving the keys to your new Lambo to a drunken 9 year old.

The nomination, for me, is about what could be while the general election is reality.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by redbengal1000

You're from Dallas and know about Celina? I actually live about 10 minutes away, but I'm close.

I agree we can't completely isolate ourselves, but in the past every country prospered when they began to worry about themselves instead of others. I know it's different now than in the past, but what we've been doing hasn't been working.

I want to at least stop sticking our noses in everyone's business. A large part of the hate to America is due to us getting involved in everyone else's issues. As Paul says, "Bring our troops home to protect our borders, rather than the borders of the Middle East."

I lived in Cleveland from 1961-87. I was a salesman for 2 years for a toy wholesaler and Celina was one of the towns I called on. They had a big discount store that I called on, name might have been Jamesway. Can't remember for sure.

We are worrying about ourselves. We have put a lot of pressure on China to allow it's currency to flow to it's real value. That would raise the cost of imports from China and force American companies to consider other options than buying from China.

I agree with you about the troops. However I have to look at it in context and ask myself why did we do it in the first place. Afghanistan is in response to 9/11, but with Bin L captured we need to leave.

Iraq may have been because they tried to assassinate Bush 2's father.

[redbengal1000]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

I lived in Cleveland from 1961-87. I was a salesman for 2 years for a toy wholesaler and Celina was one of the towns I called on. They had a big discount store that I called on, name might have been Jamesway. Can't remember for sure.

We are worrying about ourselves. We have put a lot of pressure on China to allow it's currency to flow to it's real value. That would raise the cost of imports from China and force American companies to consider other options than buying from China.

I agree with you about the troops. However I have to look at it in context and ask myself why did we do it in the first place. Afghanistan is in response to 9/11, but with Bin L captured we need to leave.

Iraq may have been because they tried to assassinate Bush 2's father.

Hmm, sounds interesting. I haven't heard of the store, but it may still be there.

I know we're getting a start with China, which is good and all, but I just don't think we belong in the Middle East at all. I didn't mind going there in the first place, but after we didn't find any WMD's I think we should have left.

Obama has been terrible, there's no denying it. I just hope somebody else gets the chance. I personally prefer Paul, but I'd have any of the republicans over Obama. I prefer Gingrich over Romney, although that seems to be losing hope as well.

[olympicoscar]

Originally Posted by redbengal1000

Hmm, sounds interesting. I haven't heard of the store, but it may still be there.

I know we're getting a start with China, which is good and all, but I just don't think we belong in the Middle East at all. I didn't mind going there in the first place, but after we didn't find any WMD's I think we should have left.

Obama has been terrible, there's no denying it. I just hope somebody else gets the chance. I personally prefer Paul, but I'd have any of the republicans over Obama. I prefer Gingrich over Romney, although that seems to be losing hope as well.

No, I don't believe Obama has been terrible. He inherited a recession, a worldwide recession, and there is no one who could have ended it.

[redbengal1000]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

No, I don't believe Obama has been terrible. He inherited a recession, a worldwide recession, and there is no one who could have ended it.

I never said anyone could have ended it, but do you really think Obama has been the best option for this country?

Whoever is president in 2012, they need to get the Republicans and Democrats to work together. Things won't get any better until they compromise instead of bickering like children.

[JuiceTheGator]

Originally Posted by olympicoscar

No, I don't believe Obama has been terrible. He inherited a recession, a worldwide recession, and there is no one who could have ended it.

So, you think this recession is worse than 1980? The numbers would suggest things were worse in 1980 - although I'd agree the numbers now are dishonest about how bad things are. In addition to the horrid economy of '80, I'd argue the foreign policy situation was way worse then.

Of course, by 1984 our economy was rockin' and we had once again become the envy of the world - because supply-side stimulus works and Keynsian bullshit does not.

[Leader O'Cola]

Originally Posted by JuiceTheGator

So, you think this recession is worse than 1980? The numbers would suggest things were worse in 1980 - although I'd agree the numbers now are dishonest about how bad things are. In addition to the horrid economy of '80, I'd argue the foreign policy situation was way worse then.

Of course, by 1984 our economy was rockin' and we had once again become the envy of the world - because supply-side stimulus works and Keynsian bullshit does not.