What do you hate more; BCS Computors or Voters

OnlyCrimson · 01-13-2012, 12:22 PM

The BCS Computors use a secret formula, therefor I do not trust them.

Some Voters shouldn't be allowed to vote (coaches) and others vote for what's best for their favorite team instead of what's right.

BoiseStateFan27 · 01-13-2012, 12:36 PM

voters easily

sooner78wakeboard. · 01-13-2012, 12:45 PM

Tough call....actually I'd go with computers because their lack of compassion. It seems that it is better to lose earlier in the season than later. In addition to using strength of schedule. It's easy to blame the computers if you don't like the outcome, but I get even more frustrated with coaches/voters giving odd votes.

bchampy · 01-13-2012, 12:51 PM

I hate people who misspell computers...twice.

But I distrust the voters. They have an agenda, not the computers.

Sooner3.14 · 01-13-2012, 01:01 PM

Even if you knew the algorithms the computers used could you understand it? For example I have a computer ranking program that uses the Draper-Smith stepwise procedure to calculate 3 models, offense, defense and special teams. The results of each model are then weighted according to the percentage of each category from the total plays. Finally the rankings are adjusted using SOS calculated by the NCAA formula. But unless you really understand multiple regression analysis you would probably think the results are biased but in fact cannot be just because of the method used.

bchampy · 01-13-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner3.14

Even if you knew the algorithms the computers used could you understand it? For example I have a computer ranking program that uses the Draper-Smith stepwise procedure to calculate 3 models, offense, defense and special teams. The results of each model are then weighted according to the percentage of each category from the total plays. Finally the rankings are adjusted using SOS calculated by the NCAA formula. But unless you really understand multiple regression analysis you would probably think the results are biased but in fact cannot be just because of the method used.

This.

Regular people(like me) wouldn't even know what they were looking at, but it would be better if the method was open so math peeps outside of the BCS can double check it.

starbigd · 01-13-2012, 01:34 PM

Computers aren't biased. They simply do what they are programmed to do. THAT can be fixed.

Voters have a bias. That cannot be fixed. People have agendas. ANYTIME - I don't care what you're voting on - when you have that many people involved, stupidity and fuckery in the results goes up exponentially.

Take away the human component, and you'll get better results IMO. Look at voters like Paul Finebaum. He didn't even put RG3 on his Heisman ballot at ALL. And he voted all SEC in the top 5 spots of the Harris poll. Guys like him should never be given a vote.

Sooner3.14 · 01-13-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by starbigd

Computers aren't biased. They simply do what they are programmed to do. THAT can be fixed.

Only if you force them to reveal their methods. Right now I think only Sagarin and Cooley have made their methods public. Massey has absolutely refused to the last I read.

starbigd · 01-13-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner3.14

Only if you force them to reveal their methods. Right now I think only Sagarin and Cooley have made their methods public. Massey has absolutely refused to the last I read.

That can still be dealt with. But biased, asshole voters aren't going to change, and none of them are ever going to be objective.

EvilVodka · 01-13-2012, 02:28 PM

Definitely voters

I'd like to see the BCS poll become more computer-based, and remove most of the subjectivity...

What if it was a combo of 6 comp polls and the 2 voter polls

bchampy · 01-13-2012, 04:46 PM

6 Computer Polls and 4 Human Voter Polls. Each poll is 10% of the vote, giving 60% of the "vote" to the computers.

mysfit · 01-13-2012, 05:07 PM

Voters

Computers don't have an agenda they just do what they were programmed to do.
There are also enough different computer formulas it more or less evens out.

Sooner3.14 · 01-13-2012, 05:26 PM

Strange that we're having this argument and most are down on the voters. Eight years or so ago it was the computers everyone was saying were wrong. So the BCS adjusted the formula to give the computers less influence. Of course the way they did it was stupid but that's another argument.

sandhill_husker · 01-13-2012, 05:44 PM

Love them both.

But trust computers.

Voters can be illogical. Aside from experts like Dr. Lou, of course. Notre Dame should always be in the top 5.

clarkson23devils · 01-13-2012, 05:49 PM

Voters!!! What no poll ?

SeeYouNT · 01-13-2012, 06:10 PM

1. Craig James
2. The Computers

MarkOU · 01-13-2012, 08:56 PM

Funny that everyone always rags on OU for their computer rankings which are always high but everyone seems to like computers more than the voters. huh

anyway I agree, voters suck.

occupant · 01-14-2012, 01:24 PM

Voters for all the reasons posted thus far.

I've seen major shens in the coaches poll...and just straight up WTF from AP voters.

Computers are the only way to do it and be able to stand behind it for what it is. It would be complemented by a governing body making the schedules, as even as possible, as well.

clarkson23devils · 01-14-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by occupant

Voters for all the reasons posted thus far.

I've seen major shens in the coaches poll...and just straight up WTF from AP voters.

Computers are the only way to do it and be able to stand behind it for what it is. It would be complemented by a governing body making the schedules, as even as possible, as well.

It's the human polls that make the bcs a joke and thus is coming from someone who's team benefits from the voters .

BigAppleBadger · 01-16-2012, 11:53 AM

Computers. Voters will usually get it close to right eventually, although they should do away with polls before Week 6 too.

01-13-2012, 12:22 PM	#1
OnlyCrimson Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 420 Rep Power: 136	What do you hate more; BCS Computors or Voters The BCS Computors use a secret formula, therefor I do not trust them. Some Voters shouldn't be allowed to vote (coaches) and others vote for what's best for their favorite team instead of what's right. __________________ Trent Richardson 208 yards, AuBarn 160 yards, barners

01-13-2012, 12:36 PM	#2
BoiseStateFan27 voted #2 Hoopla member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 37,346 Rep Power: 104669	voters easily __________________ a not so wise person once said: "you guys know it other whys you wouldn't be here"

01-13-2012, 12:45 PM	#3
sooner78wakeboard. Sooner Born, Sooner Bred Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 1,682 Rep Power: 17797	Tough call....actually I'd go with computers because their lack of compassion. It seems that it is better to lose earlier in the season than later. In addition to using strength of schedule. It's easy to blame the computers if you don't like the outcome, but I get even more frustrated with coaches/voters giving odd votes. __________________ Fear is the dark room where the Devil develops his negatives. - Gary Busey

01-13-2012, 12:51 PM	#4
bchampy It's clobberin' time! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 19,273 Rep Power: 93457	I hate people who misspell computers...twice. But I distrust the voters. They have an agenda, not the computers. __________________ Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me? Or indeed with wit to understand me?

01-13-2012, 01:01 PM	#5
Sooner3.14 Aces & eights Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 37.0 N 100.9 W elevation 2881' Posts: 11,430 Rep Power: 10744	Even if you knew the algorithms the computers used could you understand it? For example I have a computer ranking program that uses the Draper-Smith stepwise procedure to calculate 3 models, offense, defense and special teams. The results of each model are then weighted according to the percentage of each category from the total plays. Finally the rankings are adjusted using SOS calculated by the NCAA formula. But unless you really understand multiple regression analysis you would probably think the results are biased but in fact cannot be just because of the method used. __________________ Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

01-13-2012, 01:34 PM	#7
starbigd Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 2,113 Rep Power: 4423	Computers aren't biased. They simply do what they are programmed to do. THAT can be fixed. Voters have a bias. That cannot be fixed. People have agendas. ANYTIME - I don't care what you're voting on - when you have that many people involved, stupidity and fuckery in the results goes up exponentially. Take away the human component, and you'll get better results IMO. Look at voters like Paul Finebaum. He didn't even put RG3 on his Heisman ballot at ALL. And he voted all SEC in the top 5 spots of the Harris poll. Guys like him should never be given a vote.

01-13-2012, 02:28 PM	#10
EvilVodka Warlock Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 222 Rep Power: 718	Definitely voters I'd like to see the BCS poll become more computer-based, and remove most of the subjectivity... What if it was a combo of 6 comp polls and the 2 voter polls

01-13-2012, 04:46 PM	#11
bchampy It's clobberin' time! Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 19,273 Rep Power: 93457	6 Computer Polls and 4 Human Voter Polls. Each poll is 10% of the vote, giving 60% of the "vote" to the computers. __________________ Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me? Or indeed with wit to understand me?

01-13-2012, 05:07 PM	#12
mysfit Normal is over rated Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Meridian, ID Posts: 3,611 Rep Power: 14527	Voters Computers don't have an agenda they just do what they were programmed to do. There are also enough different computer formulas it more or less evens out.

01-13-2012, 05:26 PM	#13
Sooner3.14 Aces & eights Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 37.0 N 100.9 W elevation 2881' Posts: 11,430 Rep Power: 10744	Strange that we're having this argument and most are down on the voters. Eight years or so ago it was the computers everyone was saying were wrong. So the BCS adjusted the formula to give the computers less influence. Of course the way they did it was stupid but that's another argument. __________________ Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day.

01-13-2012, 05:44 PM	#14
sandhill_husker Huskers! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sandhill Heaven Posts: 3,667 Rep Power: 5038	Love them both. But trust computers. Voters can be illogical. Aside from experts like Dr. Lou, of course. Notre Dame should always be in the top 5. __________________ They don't think it be like it is, but it do. - Oscar Gamble

01-13-2012, 05:49 PM	#15
clarkson23devils HAIL SATAN !!!!!! Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 19,911 Rep Power: 120111	Voters!!! What no poll ?

01-13-2012, 06:10 PM	#16
SeeYouNT Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: California's Canada Posts: 1,608 Rep Power: 6857	1. Craig James 2. The Computers

01-13-2012, 08:56 PM	#17
MarkOU Bowl Mania Champ 2011 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wherever I may Roam Posts: 2,151 Rep Power: 4580	Funny that everyone always rags on OU for their computer rankings which are always high but everyone seems to like computers more than the voters. huh anyway I agree, voters suck. __________________ BOOMER SOONER

01-14-2012, 01:24 PM	#18
occupant Resident Inhabitant Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: between Posts: 2,338 Rep Power: 18536	Voters for all the reasons posted thus far. I've seen major shens in the coaches poll...and just straight up WTF from AP voters. Computers are the only way to do it and be able to stand behind it for what it is. It would be complemented by a governing body making the schedules, as even as possible, as well. __________________ Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your chart that you're fucked up. Ah, you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded.

01-16-2012, 11:53 AM	#20
BigAppleBadger On Wisconsin Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Manhattan Posts: 653 Rep Power: 650	Computers. Voters will usually get it close to right eventually, although they should do away with polls before Week 6 too.